uma: how do you successful will the civil rights groups will be when they take aim at what governor brewer has done? >> i think they're going to be successful. i think the federal law is what controls here, but i understand where the governor's coming from. her state is the one that suffers the most apparently by people coming here illegally. she needs to stand up. she needs to make a statement. she needs to say, we're not going to tolerate this, even if she will wind up losing in the federal court system. even if the federal judges say, no, no, this is federal issue. this isn't a state issue. there are certain issues, governor, you're in charge of but there are other issues where the president is in charge. uma: why isn't this seen as state issue particularly the time it will affect the citizens of that state? >> there is something called the supremacy clause. this is recalcitrant act by jan brewer. she is saying i will ignore president obama's executive order because i don't think it is federally authorized. yet, the state policy itself is up consistent because they have allowed people w